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tommy750 Posts: 1049
6/3/2016
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Had a chance to spend a few days out in Canebrake Valley with Daren a couple weekends ago. Wanted to head out again this weekend but apparently it's hot today!
 Canebrake Weather by tomteske, on Flickr
Parked in North Fork of Indian Canyon and took the trail north over the saddle into Canebrake. Daren wanted to see if he could relocate the ejection seat from the nearby T-33 crash site that he previously found but didn't have a point for. Definitely in the middle of nowhere but he found it.
 T-33 Seat and Daren by tomteske, on Flickr
 T-33 Seat by tomteske, on Flickr
 T-33 Seat Belt by tomteske, on Flickr
About 350 yrds SW on a course that would roughly line up the seat and crash site, we came across some electronics presumably from the jet. The canopy and trainee ejection seat were recovered immediately after the crash so it may have been from one of those items
 IMG_2023 by tomteske, on Flickr
Was so windy we had a hard time meeting up after the search since we couldn't hear each other yelling less than 100 yrds apart. Even my super loud whistle was inaudible. Settled on a semi protected camp site near some dunes and dampened the wind noise that night with a dab of 60% water 
The next day we headed up the canyon making a detour to a spot I'd previously stumbled upon with a lot of sherds and flakes. While Daren explored nearby, I ended up finding six points scattered across the sand. Here's some of the better looking ones. All were Cottonwoods or Desert Side Notches except one obsidian awl. All were broken. Found one more the next day to make seven total for the trip.
 IMG_2029 by tomteske, on Flickr
 IMG_2035 by tomteske, on Flickr
 IMG_2038 by tomteske, on Flickr
 IMG_2048 by tomteske, on Flickr
By the side of the road, there were a couple buried 55 gal drums with their lids off. One had become an animal trap. Several mice carcasses, one near dead whiptail? with a bloody bite mark, two feisty spiny lizards and a red racer were inside the deepest one. Daren scooped the whiptail out and I tried bare handing the other guys who were less than cooperative. Finally got serious after I put a glove on and safely deposited the remaining critters on level gound. The barrel lids were replace and weighed down with rocks.
 IMG_2051 by tomteske, on Flickr
Found another stranded red racer a while back in similar circumstance near Indian Hill: http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic1024-west-of-indian-hill.aspx
We only brought a few liters each hoping to use a spring Daren and his friend Craig had discovered on a previous trip. If it was dry, the trip would be over.
Success. We were able to extract about 8L out of this seep. Reportedly it was flowing a lot better in the past but not doing so well now. Lots of swarming bees around the narrow entrance so I was volunteered to crawl in and filter the water.
 IMG_2060 by tomteske, on Flickr
Lots of pretty flowers nearby, one with a little white spider who would stick his leg out from the petals presumably to feel vibrations off potential meals.
 IMG_2064 by tomteske, on Flickr
View down Canebrake.
 IMG_2075 by tomteske, on Flickr
Daren looking all explorer-y
 IMG_2072 by tomteske, on Flickr
Ant Lions in a rock shelter.
 IMG_2067 by tomteske, on Flickr
Since it was still really windy, we searched for another protected camp site for the night and promptly found this below another seep.
 IMG_2082 by tomteske, on Flickr
After about 20 minutes of hacking reeds away, the result.
 IMG_2095 by tomteske, on Flickr
The next morning and about time to pack up and head home. Enjoy. Tom
 Toward Potrero by tomteske, on Flickr
edited by tommy750 on 6/3/2016
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surfponto Administrator Posts: 1364
6/3/2016
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Looks like an amazing trip. I did that hike with Daren once over the saddle. For some reason I remember it being hard and I think I went home with a few cuts 
Here is my post when i did the hike into Canebrake with him many moons ago.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
6/3/2016
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I like it! The red racer seems to be a popular snake out there. Crossing the saddle into Canebrake is a tad on the steep side and definitely has some cuts potential.
surfponto wrote:
Looks like an amazing trip. I did that hike with Daren once over the saddle. For some reason I remember it being hard and I think I went home with a few cuts
Here is my post when i did the hike into Canebrake with him many moons ago.
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
6/3/2016
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Tom had on his arrow point eagle eyes for sure...I come back from poking around some old cowboy camp and Tom shows me 7 arrow points..damn...I like the one in the last pic the most, the colors were really cool. Here are some pics from my GPS, I did not take a camera this trip.
Old cowboy camp stuff
folding tables in a rock shelter
Crapper
water spigot
tom earning his critter credits
the pretty (and funky smelling) plants tom liked so much
the second water hole we find
total balloons that trip was probably 10 or so, no picture but look at the side pocket of my pack in the ejection seat photo and you will see the bulge from just the first day of collecting
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
6/4/2016
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Nice pics Daren. You think there's water near your rancher camp since you found a hose bibb??
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
6/4/2016
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tommy750 wrote:
Nice pics Daren. You think there's water near your rancher camp since you found a hose bibb??
well...i would suspect at some point there was water, no evidence of it now though. the camp was substantial, pots,pans,stove, mattress springs, fire wood, fencing, crapper, etc....funny how i could be exploring all of that 5 minutes away from where you were and neither of us sees the same stuff at all. the desert IS big....
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ziphius Posts: 911
6/4/2016
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Looks like another great trip, all the essentials: springs, snakes, points, camouflage, and '60% water'. Those small points are hard to find! Daren, I like your comment about you and Tom seeing completely different things while being 5 minutes apart.
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rockhopper Posts: 668
6/6/2016
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What a huge rarely travel area in the county. You could spend weeks looking around in that valley. Need to get out there some day!
Great trail report and photos. Wow 6 points in one trip! Rabbit and bird hunting points?
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
6/6/2016
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rockhopper wrote:
What a huge rarely travel area in the county. You could spend weeks looking around in that valley. Need to get out there some day!
Great trail report and photos. Wow 6 points in one trip! Rabbit and bird hunting points?
Definitely agree there's a lot to explore out there!
It's my understanding that during the late prehistoric period, there is a near complete replacement of larger projectile points previously used with throwing spears, atlatls, etc with the smaller points such as Cottonwood or Desert Side Notch which are the main types in this area. There are experimental archaeology videos where these small points do very at penetrating fresh deer carcasses so I'm assuming they were used with larger game as well.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
6/6/2016
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Here's the only thing I've ever found that may have once been a dart but not really sure. Found it out in Davies Valley. Looks like the tip and base broke off and it was well worn. Looks much bigger than any other point I've seen
 The Point by tomteske, on Flickr
 The Point2 by tomteske, on Flickr
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sddarkman619 Posts: 153
6/27/2016
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Do you guys not take radios with you when out there? Might help to locate each other when you can't hear from the wind.
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Roryborealis Posts: 17
7/8/2016
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This was found in Pedras Grandes on a leaf of a plant about 2 feet above ground. Literally lifted it as it grew. I wish I had a shot of that! I believe it's a dart, but not for sure.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
7/8/2016
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Roryborealis wrote:
This was found in Pedras Grandes on a leaf of a plant about 2 feet above ground. Literally lifted it as it grew. I wish I had a shot of that! I believe it's a dart, but not for sure.
Nice find! Looks like a Sierra Side Notch point, a type of Desert Side Notch with a third basal notch presumably to center it easier in the shaft before mastic was applied.
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rockhopper Posts: 668
7/10/2016
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Roryborealis wrote:
This was found in Pedras Grandes on a leaf of a plant about 2 feet above ground. Literally lifted it as it grew. I wish I had a shot of that! I believe it's a dart, but not for sure.
That's incredible!
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sddarkman619 Posts: 153
7/11/2016
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Tom do you have a book title that tells of the different types? I'd like to learn more about the different types.
tommy750 wrote:
Roryborealis wrote:
This was found in Pedras Grandes on a leaf of a plant about 2 feet above ground. Literally lifted it as it grew. I wish I had a shot of that! I believe it's a dart, but not for sure.
Nice find! Looks like a Sierra Side Notch point, a type of Desert Side Notch with a third basal notch presumably to center it easier in the shaft before mastic was applied.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
7/11/2016
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sddarkman619 wrote:
Tom do you have a book title that tells of the different types? I'd like to learn more about the different types.
tommy750 wrote:
Roryborealis wrote:
This was found in Pedras Grandes on a leaf of a plant about 2 feet above ground. Literally lifted it as it grew. I wish I had a shot of that! I believe it's a dart, but not for sure.
Nice find! Looks like a Sierra Side Notch point, a type of Desert Side Notch with a third basal notch presumably to center it easier in the shaft before mastic was applied.
edited by sddarkman619 on 7/11/2016
edited by sddarkman619 on 7/11/2016
I got this book a while back and found it quite helpful: https://www.amazon.com/Stone-Spear-Arrow-Points-California-ebook/dp/B002EZYXGG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1468268631&sr=8-3&keywords=arrowheads+of+california
Looks like it's out of print but a kindle version appears to be available.
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
7/12/2016
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tommy750 wrote:
I got this book a while back and found it quite helpful: https://www.amazon.com/Stone-Spear-Arrow-Points-California-ebook/dp/B002EZYXGG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1468268631&sr=8-3&keywords=arrowheads+of+california
Looks like it's out of print but a kindle version appears to be available. Probably a good reference but $275?? 
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sddarkman619 Posts: 153
7/12/2016
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Damn...out of my budget range. Kindle it is. Thanks
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