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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/13/2022
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Convinced my wife to spend Black Friday driving up Fish Creek rather than facing the marauding hordes of Xmas shoppers. We ended up in the southeastern corner of Hapaha Flat. The weather was perfect the entire weekend. Getting camp set up.
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The kitchen view looking toward Whale and a sea of ocotillos in red and orange fall colors.
 IMG_1887 by tomteske, on Flickr
Tried to catch a decent pic of the ocotillos lighting up at dusk but a photo doesn't do it justice. Was a really pretty sight.
 Ocotillo Fall Colors by tomteske, on Flickr
Lots of cultural sites in the area. Here's a rather large metate fragment.
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A nice intact Desert Side Notch point.
 IMG_1929 by tomteske, on Flickr
An obsidian drill or an abandoned projectile point a few feet away from the above point.
 IMG_1894 by tomteske, on Flickr
Randy and Lisa, long time Park volunteers found these nice painted sherds a while back. DStretched.
 IMG_2060 by tomteske, on Flickr
Wandering up the wash, we came across this water stash. Was next to the road and only two liters for a June hike? Hope he made it.
 IMG_1968 by tomteske, on Flickr
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Bunch of shell casings and empty boxes right next to the Hapaha sign. We were planning on cleaning up the mess on our way back but ended up returning by another route.
 IMG_1911 by tomteske, on Flickr
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Desiccated Chuckwalla
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Found a faint trail on GE I tried to follow on the final day. Was very rocky and eroded. About a mile in, came across this unfortunate ram.
 IMG_2008 by tomteske, on Flickr
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Nice view of the Carrizo badlands toward Canebrake and McCain.
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Large drilled rim sherd in the middle of the trail.
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On our way out, lots of nice desert sand-verbena were blooming.
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Literally 30 seconds before the canyon turned to gray. A little hiking, a little exploring and a lot of relaxing. Enjoy!
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2624
12/14/2022
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Very Nice tommy750...!!!! 
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Rocko1 Posts: 600
12/14/2022
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Tommy, the human artifact dowsing rod strikes again!  Amazed at how you find all those fantastic pieces. Looked like a really great trip.
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Britain Posts: 606
12/14/2022
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Nice report. I think my wife also would rather do this then shopping. On another note about 20 years ago I passed through the same area. A park ranger had a few vehicles stopped. On the hood of the Park ranger truck was a few fire arms. What happens to people that get caught using firearms in the park?
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Rocko1 Posts: 600
12/14/2022
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Britain wrote:
Nice report. I think my wife also would rather do this then shopping. On another note about 20 years ago I passed through the same area. A park ranger had a few vehicles stopped. On the hood of the Park ranger truck was a few fire arms. What happens to people that get caught using firearms in the park?
Just a quick look I found this-
All the following sections are contained in the California Code of Regulations. All sections are misdemeanors which carry a maximum punishment of 90 days in jail and/or $1,000 fine.
4313. Weapons and Traps.
(a) No person shall carry, possess or discharge across, in or into any portion of any unit any weapon, firearm, spear, bow and arrow, trap, net, or device capable of injuring, or killing any person or animal, or capturing any animal, or damaging any public or private property, except in underwater parks or designated archery ranges where the Department of Parks and Recreation finds that it is in its best interests.
(b) Nothing herein contained shall be construed in derogation of the use of weapons permitted by law or regulation and to be used for hunting in any unit, or portion thereof, open to hunting.
(c) Firearms not having a cartridge in any portion of the mechanism, other unloaded weapons or devices such as traps, nets, and bows and arrows may be possessed within temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased, or stored in a manner that will prevent their ready use.
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Brian Posts: 231
12/14/2022
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Hapaha is a great place for sunsets.
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/14/2022
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How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.
There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!
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Brian Posts: 231
12/14/2022
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tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.
There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!
That does help, thanks. If you're scraping with your truck I'm going to assume it isn't Subi-friendly at the moment. When I went in before I had a similar experience as you described. Made it past that section with some care going in, but on the way out dropped off a rock and hit my skid plate hard.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/14/2022
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dsefcik wrote:
Very Nice tommy750...!!!! Remember our first camping trip ever was up the road at Dave McCain? In 2013, Xmas break. How time flies. Appreciate all the memories!
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/14/2022
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tommy750 wrote:
Brian wrote:
How was the road condition going up to Hapaha from Sandstone? I've done it in my Crosstrek, but it seems like all the roads got slammed this summer and are in worse shape than normal.
There's always been that one 20 ft sketchy spot when you're exiting the canyon after Olla and before Hapaha. It got way better after they ran a dozer through there a few years ago but it's icky again. Had my wife get out and help me dodge boulders on the way in and heard a few too many scrapy sounds on the way out. Don't think you'd have any problems with any other location. Hope that helps!
That does help, thanks. If you're scraping with your truck I'm going to assume it isn't Subi-friendly at the moment. When I went in before I had a similar experience as you described. Made it past that section with some care going in, but on the way out dropped off a rock and hit my skid plate hard.
Dug up a couple pics from before and after the dozer. I would say it's worse than the pre dozer pic now.
 Upper Fish Creek Squeeze (2018_09_25 07_05_23 UTC) by tomteske, on Flickr
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ziphius Posts: 911
12/14/2022
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Nice trip + area + points Tommy!
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Brian Posts: 231
12/14/2022
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Dug up a couple pics from before and after the dozer. I would say it's worse than the pre dozer pic now.
Yep, that's the spot! I remember it well. I was there in January 2020 and the condition was about like that first rocky pic.
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Buford Posts: 461
12/16/2022
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Very nice. Good to see all the sand verbena in bloom already. I'd be almost afraid of all the vehicles in Fish Creek in a holiday weekend as black friday. Do most stop well short of Hapaha flat?
I can't believe how many points you find.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/16/2022
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Buford wrote:
Very nice. Good to see all the sand verbena in bloom already. I'd be almost afraid of all the vehicles in Fish Creek in a holiday weekend as black friday. Do most stop well short of Hapaha flat?
I can't believe how many points you find.
We were worried there were going to be a zillion campers out there but it was really quiet compared to just about any other weekend. We had a group of jeeps go by about every hour or two but nothing like the traffic farther down canyon. It is 15+ miles to Hapaha one way, so probably less traffic. Really nice area. With the points, it's a matter of patience. Pretty sure you, with your awesome wildlife and time lapse photography, know all about that!
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rockhopper Posts: 668
12/20/2022
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Nice base camp setup for day hiking and good eye on finding those artifacts. Is that desert side notch made of some kind of quartz? The obsidian source was so close but may have been underwater at the time of manufacture. .Congrats.
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