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Brian Posts: 231
1/9/2023
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I usually like to spend New Years eve in Anza Borrego, but the weather wasn't cooperating this year so I did it a week later. Friday night I was camped in Jojoba Wash and hiked over to see the Piepkorn Slot. It looks like quite the technical challenge to drive through. I'd love to see someone do it.
Memorial is still there.
Saturday I hiked to Carrizo Peak with the Jacumba Hikers. I was too focused on trying to keep up with them to take many pics (besides I've been there before) and the ones I took from the peak didn't turn out good. I like the fact that you can see the Carrizo Impact Area from up there and the Butterfield Stage route between the Coyote and Fish Creek mountains.
The badlands and Carrizo Creek
Looking NE toward the Salton Sea
After another night of camping I hiked to the pictographs in Carrizo Canyon. S Carrizo Creek road was in better shape than I was expecting, but being in a Subaru I still only drove about half way, which made for a 6 mile round trip hike.
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Britain Posts: 606
1/10/2023
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LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.
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Rocko1 Posts: 600
1/10/2023
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Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?
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Brian Posts: 231
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Britain wrote:
LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.
Do you drive through when you go? The dropoff that comes after that looked pretty sketchy.
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Brian Posts: 231
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?
I've read that they have been, so I'm sure the darker ones are touched up. There were also a lot of fainter ones I wasn't as sure about (middle pic for example).
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Britain Posts: 606
1/10/2023
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Brian wrote:
Britain wrote:
LOL we were at the slot for a visit about a month ago. Wife chuckled at the 20 peso note.
Do you drive through when you go? The dropoff that comes after that looked pretty sketchy.
Went down it a year ago. Couldnt get up it. Its really dug up now. Theres 3 ways though to get down now.
Theres the regular straight ahead, theres another to the west and one from long ago thats on the eastern side.
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Britain Posts: 606
1/10/2023
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?
Ive been told some have been touched up.. They look like it also.
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Buford Posts: 461
1/10/2023
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Very nice. Funny how the stuff on the slot memorial keeps changing over the years. The dropoff is supposed to be one way, downhill to prevent it from getting all torn up. Just like the Diablo Dropoff. Doesn't mean there are any signs or that people would follow the posted signs anyway if they existed.
The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.
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Brian Posts: 231
1/10/2023
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Buford wrote:
The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.
I saw that article. They were talking about how the train would disturb the serenity of the "Solstice Cave" (pretty sure they meant the Blue Sun Cave since the Solstice Cave is nowhere near the tracks) and then had a picture of the Carrizo pictos which is neither of those things.
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Buford Posts: 461
1/11/2023
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Brian wrote:
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The UT just had an article that featured the Carrizo Gorge Pictos.
I saw that article. They were talking about how the train would disturb the serenity of the "Solstice Cave" (pretty sure they meant the Blue Sun Cave since the Solstice Cave is nowhere near the tracks) and then had a picture of the Carrizo pictos which is neither of those things.
I noticed the same thing about the article and locations. I was actually there the day the photo in the article took place at Carrizo Gorge Pictographs. I happened to be hiking by as Ernie Cowan and the Native American group was wrapping up their visit. I briefly talked with Ernie.
I even saw a Subaru make it to the end of the road and back without damage, though a couple times it only had 3 wheels on the ground slowly crawling along as I followed.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
1/11/2023
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Rocko1 wrote:
Very cool. Have those pictographs been touched up at some point?
Pretty sure those have been touched up. Up close the black "pigment" looks more like liquid asphalt. Rumors abound about the identity of the touch-up artist. There are a few other altered sites in the Anza Borrego area including Little Blair Valley, the Blue Sun Cave and most likely another site in Indian Hill, again, with lots of black pigment over very faded red and yellow pictos. The site high up in Potrero is another example reportedly touched up by a local rancher.
Not sure why it's done, but apparently it's not just a local phenomenon. On a prior trip a speck east of here, I was surprised to see artists overpainting a faded Greek fresco at Ephesus presumably to make it more tourist friendly. As they say, the more popular an archaeological site, the less authentic.
 Ephesus Restoration by tomteske, on Flickr
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2624
1/12/2023
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The site high up in Potrero is another example reportedly touched up by a local rancher.
If I remember correctly some of those were even "touched up" with a different color.
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Britain Posts: 606
1/12/2023
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I wouldnt have thought that the Blue Sun or the other on Indian hill were touched up though Ive heard it from others. The Cart wheel by Montero wash has also been rebuilt from what I've been told. Back when the memorial at the slot had the lighthouse, on the mesa above it was an Indian circle with 2 minor rock formations A spiral and a sunburst like the art at Solstice. This was over 20 years ago. I took the wife there to show her. The area was trashed from off roaders. We looked around for about an hr for them. Then again I wouldnt have known if this was a recently manufactured art. I took some film pictures of the work and I thought I scanned them. If I find them Ill post.
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rockhopper Posts: 668
1/24/2023
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Need to hike up Carrizo canyon to those glyphs someday. Thanks for sharing. Retouching up the glyphs? The jury is out with me on that subject. It can go both ways. Preservation vs loss forever.
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surfponto Administrator Posts: 1366
1/25/2023
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Need to hike up Carrizo canyon to those glyphs someday. Thanks for sharing. Retouching up the glyphs? The jury is out with me on that subject. It can go both ways. Preservation vs loss forever.
Hey Guys,
Interesting UT article
I remember the first time I hiked to the Carrizo Gorge pictos. Always liked that spot.
Need to take a day trip out there again.
http://www.anzaborrego.net/2010/03/19/the-hunt-for-the-elusive-carrizo-gorge-pictographs/
I also remember when Daren and I first found the Solstice Cave. That was another fun trip.
Writing this I realize I need to get out to ABDSP more. 🤔
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