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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/29/2019
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Someone emailed me this March 1974 Desert Magazine article a while back and I ended up reprising the same route yesterday except the author arrived from the north on EC 085 and I from the south. The author basically drove down from 78 and poked around Carrizo wash south of the Fish Creek Mts a bit, pretty much my trip 45 years later.
 Indian Signs by tomteske, on Flickr
EC 085 was recently graded and moist from the rains so very easy to drive. Also new signage indicates it's on the Juan Bautista de Anza National Historic Trail.
 EC 085 by tomteske, on Flickr
The "iron mountains" seem larger than my last trip out here.
 Iron Mountains by tomteske, on Flickr
Unsurprisingly, there was way more traffic than usual.
 Bikers by tomteske, on Flickr
 Carrizo Wash by tomteske, on Flickr
Took the fat ebike along and rode up Carrizo Wash doing some hiking as well.
 Tundra and Fat Bike by tomteske, on Flickr
Hiked over to an area at the base of the Fish Creek Mts where the latest GE satellite imagery indicated a new spot had appeared.
 Change by tomteske, on Flickr
Doesn't look stripped so maybe insurance fraud??
 Burnt1 by tomteske, on Flickr
 Burnt2 by tomteske, on Flickr
 Melted by tomteske, on Flickr
 Moto Metal by tomteske, on Flickr
 Burnt3 by tomteske, on Flickr
On a nearby rise, a rock circle pictured in the Desert Magazine article and what it looks like 45 years later.
 Rock Circle by tomteske, on Flickr
In an adjacent rocky cove, a site with milling previously described as strewn with sherds (I found one only). A slick with a central mortero and two hand stones looks pretty much unchanged.
 Mortero Slick by tomteske, on Flickr
Did find a couple petroglyphs not noted in the article and maybe the most inconsequential rock art find of the year 
 Two Petros by tomteske, on Flickr
Heavily enhanced versions. Clothes Hanger Man and a super basic Bighorn (better yet, Pronghorn)??
 Petro1 by tomteske, on Flickr
 Petro2 by tomteske, on Flickr
On a ridge above the site were a half dozen small rock walled shelters. Doubt they were old and you'd have to be pretty small to fit inside one.
 Rock Wall by tomteske, on Flickr
Followed a section of unscathed native trail hugging the hillside above the zillion vehicle tracks mere feet below.
 Trail by tomteske, on Flickr
Skull of ewe.
 Ewe Skull by tomteske, on Flickr
Heading back, encountered the unluckiest of drivers getting cited by BLM law enforcement. Forgot to signal maybe?? He looked utterly dejected.
 Busted by tomteske, on Flickr
Nothing fancy but another great time out in the desert. Enjoy! Tom
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Scooter Posts: 114
12/29/2019
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Great trip report. I need to explore that area. Thanks
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deborah Posts: 115
12/29/2019
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Nice pictures and report! It's a really cool comparison between 1974 and the present.
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surfponto Administrator Posts: 1364
12/30/2019
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I agree with Deborah.
Love the past to present comparison. Pictures are great.
I like your truck setup.
E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking 
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Buford Posts: 456
12/30/2019
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Very cool comparison. Glad some things like the ancient trail remain unspoiled despite the increased desert usage.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/30/2019
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E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking
Fat biking with a little boost is really nice out in the sand and rocks. Haven't used it as much as I'd liked but sure is fun. Did a 21 mile ride out in Canyon Sin Nombre and Vallecito a while back and was a decent workout but much easier and more fun with a little help. This trip was probably only about five miles on the bike and a few miles hiking. Would definitely look into it!
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Rocko1 Posts: 597
12/30/2019
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tommy750 wrote:
surfponto wrote:
E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking
Fat biking with a little boost is really nice out in the sand and rocks. Haven't used it as much as I'd liked but sure is fun. Did a 21 mile ride out in Canyon Sin Nombre and Vallecito a while back and was a decent workout but much easier and more fun with a little help. This trip was probably only about five miles on the bike and a few miles hiking. Would definitely look into it!
So it does ok in softer sand?
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/30/2019
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Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
surfponto wrote:
E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking
Fat biking with a little boost is really nice out in the sand and rocks. Haven't used it as much as I'd liked but sure is fun. Did a 21 mile ride out in Canyon Sin Nombre and Vallecito a while back and was a decent workout but much easier and more fun with a little help. This trip was probably only about five miles on the bike and a few miles hiking. Would definitely look into it!
So it does ok in softer sand?
I think it works great in softer sand. Haven't taken it to Superstition or Glamis but that's not really my thing. Any sandy road shouldn't pose a problem. With the tires at about 5lbs pressure it's a smooth stable ride.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
12/30/2019
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Deborah/surfponto/Buford: There's definitely interesting stories and trips in this area in Desert Magazine that would be fun to reprise. The Hank Brandt lost mine saga is kinda interesting and someone has previously alluded to it a few years back in the comments (now blurred out by Photobucket's subscription for third party hosting demands): http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic721-west-mesa.aspx. Does anyone know if Desert Magazine is still being hosted somewhere online? Daren posted a link in 2011 but it doesn't work now. I happened to buy a CD years ago with all the issues for $5.
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ziphius Posts: 911
12/31/2019
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Great trip report and photos Tom. Learned a lot from that time machine comparison.
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rockhopper Posts: 668
1/1/2020
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Nice adventure. Great pics. The high trail above the ancient lake is always fun to walk on. The ancient lake filled and evaporated at least 8 times or more over thousands of years according to an area expert I met at the Palms springs museum. So those trails could be thousands of years old. Also, Desert magazine was the best! Wish I had a entire collection.
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Rocko1 Posts: 597
1/2/2020
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tommy750 wrote:
Deborah/surfponto/Buford: There's definitely interesting stories and trips in this area in Desert Magazine that would be fun to reprise. The Hank Brandt lost mine saga is kinda interesting and someone has previously alluded to it a few years back in the comments (now blurred out by Photobucket's subscription for third party hosting demands): http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic721-west-mesa.aspx. Does anyone know if Desert Magazine is still being hosted somewhere online? Daren posted a link in 2011 but it doesn't work now. I happened to buy a CD years ago with all the issues for $5.
Did you see this post?
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/california/80018-hanks-mine-found.html
Here is Magazine
https://archive.org/details/Desert-Magazine-1966-07/page/n7 You can download PDF on lower right side of that page.
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Britain Posts: 602
1/2/2020
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Rocko1 wrote:
tommy750 wrote:
Deborah/surfponto/Buford: There's definitely interesting stories and trips in this area in Desert Magazine that would be fun to reprise. The Hank Brandt lost mine saga is kinda interesting and someone has previously alluded to it a few years back in the comments (now blurred out by Photobucket's subscription for third party hosting demands): http://www.anzaborrego.net/anzaborrego/Forum/topic721-west-mesa.aspx. Does anyone know if Desert Magazine is still being hosted somewhere online? Daren posted a link in 2011 but it doesn't work now. I happened to buy a CD years ago with all the issues for $5.
Did you see this post?
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/california/80018-hanks-mine-found.html
Here is Magazine
https://archive.org/details/Desert-Magazine-1966-07/page/n7 You can download PDF on lower right side of that page.
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John he likes to find stuff. He teamed up with Scott Walker on America Unearthed to look for the lost Viking ship..Aired last year.
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tommy750 Posts: 1049
1/3/2020
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Did you see this post?
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/california/80018-hanks-mine-found.html
Here is Magazine
https://archive.org/details/Desert-Magazine-1966-07/page/n7 You can download PDF on lower right side of that page.
Yeah, I've seen both of those article and the original Desert Magazine story from 1964. Have played around on GE a bit trying to verify anything about the their accounts. The 1966 authors appear to have "discovered" Hank's Lost Mine, a manganese not gold mine in SW Fish Creek Mountains (in the CIA) and described in the publications on mineral resources of the Fish Creek Mts here: https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/1711c/report.pdf There is a trail ascending to the mine from Carrizo Wash easily visible on GE but it's only .7 miles to Hanks mine with multiple other mines nearby including the Bonanza Queen copper mine, It's not the 2+ mile hike the authors indicate. Not sure how hobbled Hank Brandt would have been able to dig a 30 ft shaft by himself, either.
Regarding the other author, I've been to the flat in his image three (not by his route) but didn't go around the corner to investigate the spot he shows in his fourth pic. It doesn't look like mine tailing on GE however. It's definitely not in the CIA and nowhere near Hank' Lost manganese Mine. Did notice a mention of a trail from the Fish Creek Mts to Split Mt and was actually already planning to try and find that tomorrow.
Great stories and a lot of fun trying to parse their meaning!
Sorry, it's Rocko1 I'm quoting above.
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Britain Posts: 602
1/6/2020
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tommy750 wrote:
Britain wrote:
Did you see this post?
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/california/80018-hanks-mine-found.html
Here is Magazine
https://archive.org/details/Desert-Magazine-1966-07/page/n7 You can download PDF on lower right side of that page.
Yeah, I've seen both of those article and the original Desert Magazine story from 1964. Have played around on GE a bit trying to verify anything about the their accounts. The 1966 authors appear to have "discovered" Hank's Lost Mine, a manganese not gold mine in SW Fish Creek Mountains (in the CIA) and described in the publications on mineral resources of the Fish Creek Mts here: https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/1711c/report.pdf There is a trail ascending to the mine from Carrizo Wash easily visible on GE but it's only .7 miles to Hanks mine with multiple other mines nearby including the Bonanza Queen copper mine, It's not the 2+ mile hike the authors indicate. Not sure how hobbled Hank Brandt would have been able to dig a 30 ft shaft by himself, either.
Regarding the other author, I've been to the flat in his image three (not by his route) but didn't go around the corner to investigate the spot he shows in his fourth pic. It doesn't look like mine tailing on GE however. It's definitely not in the CIA and nowhere near Hank' Lost manganese Mine. Did notice a mention of a trail from the Fish Creek Mts to Split Mt and was actually already planning to try and find that tomorrow.
Great stories and a lot of fun trying to parse their meaning!
Sorry, it's Rocko1 I'm quoting above.
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Lots of people going up there in the following weeks to look. All ready poked around years ago.
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
1/9/2020
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Great write up as usual Tom, thanks for sharing that. BLM LE ???? I think I have only seen that a few times out at McCain Valley and out at Carrizo/Painted Gorge areas.
https://archive.org/details/desertmagazine
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
1/9/2020
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dsefcik wrote:
https://archive.org/details/desertmagazine
I posted them up here at this link
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dsefcik Administrator Posts: 2622
1/10/2020
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tommy750 wrote:
surfponto wrote:
E-Bike? Hmm now you have me thinking
Fat biking with a little boost is really nice out in the sand and rocks. Haven't used it as much as I'd liked but sure is fun. Did a 21 mile ride out in Canyon Sin Nombre and Vallecito a while back and was a decent workout but much easier and more fun with a little help. This trip was probably only about five miles on the bike and a few miles hiking. Would definitely look into it!
So it does ok in softer sand?
I will give the "E-" part a thumbs up...
I have an old fashioned fat bike with regular old pedals and a chain and Tom kicks my arse on every ride....
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